Saturday, May 16, 2009

Some Real Climate Scientist/Skeptics Speak Out: by Eric Karlstrom

I thought this was a nice list of quotes that came in on Peter Myer's elist, Global Warming or Global Governance? Quotes and References compiled by Eric Karlstrom, a Professor of Geography at California State University. Also a musician, and a 9/11 Dissident. His website is So I posted it here and then I went to Karlstrom's site and loaded one of his articles from 1993, "Stewardship of the Land: Man's Proper Role in Nature" From Desert Call, vol. 28, no. 4, p. 4-9. 1993. After reading it I decided Professor Karlstrom may have had a complete reversal in his way of thinking, and he may just be confused about what else the global government promotes, but so far it looks like he is a preacher for the UN's Gaia religion.

Saturday update--I missed this, should have printed the entire forward. I edited it because many of his quotes I already printed here last week. Here's what he wrote to Peter, "Yes, the Green movement has been co-opted by radical communist types it seems. I've awakened to this in the last year- particularly with the issue of man-made global warming, which I think is nonsense. And this is the stuff (physical geography, climate change, etc.) that I have studied academically for all my career." I wonder if he still believes the Natives, Amish and Benedictine Monks have the model cultures for a sustainable world, and if he still thinks UN LA21 and EarthFirst! is a great idea. I think I may respond to Peter about this. I rarely write anything for his list, but this coincides with my local research right now. Karlstrom should know damn well his "spiritual" movement wasn't "co-opted by radical communist types," it was created by radical theologians. Spiritual environmentalism is communitarianism.

Every time I ask a local if they think the Ahtna tribe shows good leadership in their role model for teaching us responsible stewardship of the land, the answer is always unprintable. The Ahtna tribe has been locking down access to local rivers and charging high fees for crossing, fishing, hunting, trapping or camping on their "protected" lands. We're surrounded by millions of acres of beetle kill spruce that a sensible populace would clean and burn. In fact that's my "theory" of how the Gaia loving environmentalists will eventually clear out this area. Why go door-to-door engaging in lethal combat with die hard constitutional abiding Alaskans when one big fire would eliminate that threat altogether. The Australian fires burn fresh in my memory.

And I didn't know Lovelock's Gaia theory calls chainsaws, cattle and combustion the 3 most harmful pathogens! I LOVE my chainsaw... Lovelock should have to spend a winter in a Gertee in Alaska with just an axe... wonder what kind of a God he'd create after that experience, all hail the Chainsaw Goddess?

For your interest, I am attaching a series of quotes and bibliography on the man-caused global warming hoax.

Some Real Climate Scientist/Skeptics Speak Out:

You can go outside and spit and have the same effect as doubling carbon dioxide… All this argument is the temperature going up or not, it’s absurd. Of course it’s going up. It has gone up since the early 1800’s, before the Industrial Revolution, because we’re coming out of the Little Ice Age, not because we’re putting more carbon dioxide into the air.

(Manmade global warming) is a theory for which there is no credible proof. There is very little truth to what is being said and an awful lot of religion. It’s mostly a religion where you have to believe in anthropogenic global warming or else you are nuts. I know of no vote having been taken, and know that if such a vote were taken of those who are most vocal about the matter, it would include a significant fraction of people who do not know enough about climate to have a significant opinion.”

(On Al Gore’s movie, “An Inconvenient Truth): Don’t make me throw up. It is not science. It is not true.

Dr. Reid Bryson, Professor of Physical Geography at University of Wisconsin at Madison, who has been called the “father of scientific climatology” and “the world’s most cited climatologist”

A public relations campaign of staggering proportions is being carried forward to convince us that global warming is man-made and a crisis. The historic evidence, however, shows us two similar warming periods in the recent past: the Medieval Warming (950-1300 AD) and the Roman Warming (200 BC to 600 AD). Ice cores dug up from Greenland and the Antarctic show there have been 600 such cycles over the past one million years- all of them moderate.”
S. Fred Singer and Dennis T. Avery, Unstoppable Global Warming Every 1500 Years (2007)

What a load of poppy-cock! Global warming- at least the modern nightmare version- is a myth.

(CO2) is in fact, the most important airborne fertilizer in the world, and without it there would be no green plants at all. Even a doubling of CO2 in the atmosphere would produce a rise in plant productivity. Call me a biased old plant lover, but that doesn’t sound like much of a killer gas to me. Hooray for global warming is what I say, and so do a lot of my fellow scientists.

It would be terrible if billions or trillions of dollars were wasted “on a problem that doesn’t exist- money that could be used in umpteen better ways: fighting world hunger, providing clean water, developing alternative energy sources, improving our environment, creating jobs.”

David Bellamy, Botany Professor, Great Britain’s best-known environmentalist

In 1995, I published a short paper in the academic journal Science. In that study, I reviewed how borehole temperature data recorded a warming of about one degree Celsius in North America over the last 100 to 150 years. The week the article appeared, I was contacted by a reporter for National Public Radio. He offered to interview me, but only if I would state that the warming was due to human activity. When I refused to do so, he hung up on me. I had another interesting experience around the time my paper in Science was published. I received an astonishing email from a major researcher in the area of climate change. He said, ‘We have got to get rid of the Medieval Warm period.’”

Dr. David Deming, University of Oklahoma, before the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, Dec. 6, 2006

How can a barely discernable, one-degree F. increase in the recorded global mean temperature since the late 19th century possibly gain public acceptance as the source of recent weather catastrophes? And how can it translate into unlikely claims about future catastrophes?

The answer has much to do with misunderstanding the science of climate, plus a willingness to debase climate science into a triangle of alarmism. Ambiguous scientific statements about climate are hyped by those with a vested interest in alarm, thus raising the political stakes for policymakers who provide funds for more science research to feed more alarm to increase the political stakes. Indeed, the success of scientific alarmism can be counted in the increased federal spending on climate research from a few million dollars pre-1990 to $1.7 billion (per year) today. Scientists who dissent from the alarmism have seen their grant funds disappear, their work derided, and themselves libeled as industry stooges, scientific hacks, or worse. Consequently, lies about climate change gain credence even when they fly in the face of the science that supposedly is their basis.”

Dr. Richard Lindzen, former professor of mathematics, University of Chicago and Harvard University, “Climate of Fear,” April 12, 2006

Sophisticated climate models have been running for twenty years now. It has become evident that these models cannot be made to agree on anything except a possible relation between greenhouse gases and a slight increase in globally averaged temperatures…We should stop our support for the preoccupation with greenhouse gases our politicians indulge in. Global energy policy is their business, not ours. We should not allow politicians to use fake doomsday projections as a cover-up for their real intentions.”

Dr. H. Tennekes, Professor of Meteorology, “A Personal Call for Modesty, Integrity, and Balance,” Climate Science, 2007.

I have studied their climate models and know what they can do. The models solve the equations of fluid dynamics and do a very good job of describing the fluid motions of the atmosphere and the oceans. They do a very poor job of describing the clouds, the dust, the chemistry, and biology of fields, farms and forests. They do not begin to describe the real world that we live in. They are full of fudge factors that are fitted to the existing climate, so the models more or less agree with the observed data. But there is no reason to believe that the same fudge factors would give the right behavior in a world with different chemistry, for example, in a world with increased CO2 in the atmosphere.

Here, I am opposing the holy brotherhood of climate model experts and the crowd of deluded citizens that believe the numbers predicted by their models. The problems are being grossly exaggerated. They take away money and attention from other problems that are much more urgent and important- poverty, infectious diseases, public education, and public health.

Dr. Freeman Dyson, “The Science and Politics of Climate,” 1999

The full spectrum of spatial and temporal scales exhibited by the climate system will not be resolvable by models for decades, if ever.

Dr. Paul Williams, University of Readings Center for Global Atmospheric Modeling

“Uncertainties in emissions scenarios feed into uncertainties in carbon-cycle modeling, which feed into uncertainties in climate modeling, which drive and even larger range of uncertain climate impacts.

Dr. Stephen Schneider, Nature 411: 17-19

We’re talking here of mathematical models whose results have consequences costing billions of dollars and involve the responsibility of all the governments of the world. It is necessary to bring these basic themes back to the scientific laboratories where they belong, talking them away from the hands of those who use them to satisfy ambitions that have nothing to do with scientific truth.

Dr. Antonio Zichichi, professor of Advanced Physics at the University of Bologna.

The paucity of information in the IPCC reports was hardly surprising: not one of the lead authors had ever written a research paper on the subject! Moreover, two of the authors, both physicians, had spent their entire careers as environmental activists.

(The real problem is that) the Intergovernmental Panel (on Climate Change) is precisely that- it is a panel among governments. It is the governments of the world who make up the IPCC, define its remit, and direction. The way in which this is done is defined in the IPCC Principles and Procedures, which have been agreed by governments”

Paul Reiter, Professor of medical entomology, Pasteur Institute in Paris (who resigned from IPCC)

I cannot in good faith continue to contribute to a process I view as both being motivated by preconceived agendas and being scientifically unsound. I have decided to no longer participate in the IPCC AR4.”

Dr. Christopher Landsea, NOAA research meteorologist, in his letter of resignation from the IPCC

Atmospheric physics is quite clear that increasing CO2 concentrations increases temperature. The best way to demonstrate this is to model the temperature of the atmosphere with all CO2 removed. It is very cold. Then, increase CO2 by small increments and plot the graph of temperature increase. It is very rapid initially and then flattens out. Doubling CO2 from today’s concentration, holding all other parameters constant, has a “negligible” effect.

John Bluemle, North Dakota State Climatologist

Effectively, this (new study) means that the global economy will spend trillions of dollars trying to avoid a warming of about 1.1 degree C by 2100 AD… Recall that most of the 1.1 degree- about 0.7 degrees- has already occurred. As far as I can say, all the people who end up with 2 or even 3 Celsius degrees are just playing the children’s game to scare each other by making artificial biased assumptions about positive feedbacks.

Dr. Ian Wilson, reviewer of Dr. Stephen Schwartz’ “Heat Capacity, Time Constant, and Sensitivity of Earth’s Climate System,” Journal of Geophysical Research, 2008

Sadly the presidential candidates are relying far too much on the reports of the IPCC, a body which has used sloppy science to further specific political and policy goals.

I predict that the IPCC experience will end up being the worst case of scientific malpractice in history. Not that the scientists are at fault, I think they have been led around by some politically savvy, almost charismatic leaders.

If the new President and Congress are not careful, the resulting “sub-prime science meltdown” we are headed for will have caused carbon dioxide regulations which will make the current financial crisis seem puny by comparison.

Ex-NASA meteorologist, Dr. Roy Spencer, author of Climate Confusion; How Global Warming Hysteria Leads to Bad Science, Pandering Politicians, and Misguided Policies that Hurt the Poor (2008)

The global warming alarm is dressed up as science, but it is not science. It’s propaganda.

Professor Paul Reiter, Pasteur Institute, The Great Global Warming Swindle

Anthropocentric Global Warming (AGW): Centerpiece of a twisted new “Green Agenda” and world government under the UN?

Current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class- involving high meat intake, use of fossil fuels, appliances, air-conditioning, and sub-urban housing- are not sustainable….. Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?

Maurice Strong, Secretary-General of the United Nations’ Rio Earth Summit, founder of the UN Environment Programme (UNEP), founder, president of Earth Council, co-author of the Earth Charter with Mikhail Gorbachev, etc. etc. etc.

The emerging “environmentalization” of our civilization and the need for vigorous action in the interest of the entire global community will inevitably have multiple political consequences. Perhaps the most important of them will be a gradual change in the status of the United Nations. Inevitably, it must assume some aspects of a world government…..

I envisage the principles of the Earth Charter to be a new form of the Ten Commandments. They lay the foundation a sustainable global earth community.

Nature is my god. To me, nature is sacred; trees are my temples and forests are my cathedrals.

Mikhail Gorbachev, Former Premier of the Soviet Union, State of the World Forum and co-author of the Earth Charter

Regionalism must precede globalism. We foresee a seamless system of governance from local communities, individual states, regional unions and up through to the United Nations itself.

UN Commission on Global Governance

A reasonable estimate for an industrialized world society at the present North American material standard of living would be 1 billion. At a more frugal European standard of living, 2 to 3 billion would be possible.

United Nations, Global Biodiversity Assessment

The earth has a cancer and the cancer is man.… The real enemy, then, is man himself.… The resultant ideal sustainable population is hence more than 500 million but less than one billion.

Club of Rome (think tank), from Goals for Mankind, Mankind at the Turning Point, and The First Global Revolution

One American burdens the earth much more than twenty Bangladeshes. This is a terrible thing to say. In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people per day. It’s a horrible thing to say, but it’s just as bad not to say it.

Jacques Cousteau, ecologist, United Nations (UNESCO) Courier

The extinction of the human species may not only be inevitable but a good thing.

Christopher Manes, Earth First!

A cancer is an uncontrolled multiplication of cells; the population explosion is an uncontrolled multiplication of people. We must shift our efforts from the treatment of the symptoms to the cutting out of the cancer. The operation will demand many apparently brutal and heartless decisions.

A massive campaign must be launched to de-develop the United States. De-develop means bringing our economic system into line with the realities of ecology and the world resource situation.

Giving society cheap, abundant energy would be the equivalent of giving an idiot child a machine gun.

Professor Paul Erlich (a biologist), Professor of Population Studies, Stanford University, author of The Population Bomb

Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.

Adolf Hitler

So should we now ask United Nations to save us from the threat of catastrophic man-caused global warming?

More and more it is becoming clear that those who support the so-called “New World Order” or World Government under the United Nations have adopted global environmentalism as a basis for the dissolution of independent nations and the international realignment of power.

Dixie Lee Ray, former chairman of the Atomic Energy Commission, 1993

The recent global warming hysteria is in reality a geopolitical push by leading global elite circles to find a way to get the broader population to willingly accept drastic cuts in their living standards, something that were it demanded without clear reason by politicians, would spark strikes and protest. The UN’s latest IPCC report on Global Warming calls for diverting a huge 12% of global GDP to “prevent the harmful effects of climate change.” The UN report, for example, estimated that its recommendations to reduce certain manmade emissions would cost about $2,750 per family per year in the price of energy.

F. William Engdahl, “Disproof of Global Warming Hype,” 2008

So where does the passion in support of the man-made global warming hoax originate? Freedom First Society believes that the best explanation for the widespread propaganda is that the “crisis” hoax supports an immense power grab. High-level internationalist insiders have selected the global warming scare as one pretext to help them drive forward their revolutionary “new world order.” In particular, they seek to persuade independent nations to submit to world government, cleverly controlled by an elite few from behind the scenes.

Tom Gow, “The Global Warming Hoax,” 2008

In short, the house of world order will have to be built from the bottom up rather than from the top down. An end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old fashioned frontal assault…. One way to garner public support for new international treaties would be to propagandize world wide predicaments. If people are scared of terrorism, financial chaos or global warming, they will be willing to cede national sovereignty, freedom and liberties for global authority.

Richard N. Garner, member of Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) and former Secretary of State, 1974, “The Hard Road to World Order,” published in Foreign Affairs, the journal of the CFR.

Check out the difference between the U.S. Constitution and the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights.

Science that is not used for the betterment of humanity becomes a perversion of itself.

Nikoka Tesla

Here we are not afraid to follow the truth wherever it may lead, nor to tolerate any error so long as reason is left free to combat it.

Thomas Jefferson

(3) References on Global Warming - Eric Karlstrom

References on the “Global Warming Hoax”


Horner, C. C., 2007, The Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming and Environmentalism, Regnery Publishing Inc., 350 pp.

Horner, C. C., 2008, Red Hot Lies; How Global Warming Alarmists Use Threats, Fraud, and Deception to Keep You Misinformed, Regnery Publishing Inc., 407 pp.

Lomborg, B., 1998, The Skeptical Environmentalist: Measuring the Real State of the World, Cambridge University Press, 515 pp.

Lomborg, B., 2007, Cool It: The Skeptical Environmentalist’s Guide to Global Warming, Vintage Books, 252 pp.

Michaels, P. J., 2005, Shattered Consensus; The True State of Global Warming, Rowman and Littlefield Publishers, Inc., 291 pp.

Singer, S.F. and Avery, D.T., 2007, Unstoppable Global Warming Every 1,500 Years, Rowman and Littlefield Publishers, Inc., 278 pp.

Solomon, L., 2008, The Deniers, The World-Renowned Scientists Who Stood Up Against Global Warming Hysteria, Political Persecution, and Fraud; Richard Vigilante Books, 239 pp.

Spencer, R., 2008, Climate Confusion: How Global Warming Hysteria Leads to Bad Science, Pandering Politicians, and Misguided Policies that Hurt the Poor, Encounter Books, 191 pp.

Svensmark, H., and Calder, N., 2007, The Chilling Stars: A New Theory of Climate Change, Icon Books, Ltd., 246 pp.

Related Paleoclimatology Texts

Bradley, R.S., 1985, Quaternary Paleoclimatology: Methods of Paleoclimatic Reconstruction, Allen and Unwin Press, Boston, 472 pp.

Bryant, E., 1997, Climate Process and Change, Cambridge University Press, 209 pp.

Burroughs, W.J., 1994, Weather Cycles: Real or Imaginary?, Cambridge University Press, 207 pp.

Cronin, T.M., Principles of Paleoclimatology, 1999, Columbia University Press, 560 pp.

Hidore, J.J., Global Environmental Change; It’s Nature and Impact, 1996, Prentice Hall, Upper Saddle River, NJ, 263 pp.

Hidore, J. J. and Oliver, J. E., 1993, Climatology: An Atmospheric Science, Macmillan Publishing Company, 423 pp.

Lamb, H. H., Climate History and the Modern World, 1982, Methuen, London, 385 pp.

Pielke, Jr., R., 2008, How to make two decades of cooling consistent with warming.

Rotberg, R.I. and Rabb, T.K., Climate and History: Studies in Interdisciplinary History, Princeton University Press, 280 pp.

Ruddiman, W. F., Earth’s Climate: Past and Present, 2001, W.H. Freeman and Company, New York, 465 pp.

Williams, M.A.J., Dunkerley, D.L., Deckker, P.D., Kershw, A.P., Stokes, T., 1993, Quaternary Environments, Edward Arnold, 329 pp.

Pertinent articles and government reports

Baliunas, S., 2002, Warming up to the truth: the real story about climate change, Heritage Lecture #758,

Bean, E., 2008, High Expectations for Climate Work, Fulton County Daily Report. December 1, 2008.

Brandow, D., 2008, Shock, shock…. The climate catastrophe lobby is telling fibs,

Carter, R.M., 2008, Knock, knock: Where is the evidence for dangerous human- caused global warming? Economic Analysis and Policy, v. 38, no. 2, 177-188.

Devine, M., 2008, Beware the Church of Climate Alarm

Gray, V., 2008, The absurdity of reliable average global surface temperature, Climate and Climate Change Forum.

Levant, E., 2003, Fight Kyoto: Why Canada promotes the implementation of the Kyoto accord,

Linzen, R.,S., 2007, The Nature of Arguments for Anthropogenic Global Warming, .

McLeod, J., 2007, Creators of Carbon Credit Scheme Cashing In on It.

Robinson, A.B., Robinson, N.E., and Soon, W., 2007, Environmental Effects of Increased Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide, Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, v. 12, 79-90.

Singer, F.S., 2008, Nature, Not Human Activity, Rules the Climate; Summary for Policymakers of the Report of the Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change, Chicago, IL, Science and Policy Project, Heartland Institute, 40 pp.

Spencer, R. 2008, Global warming and nature’s thermostat,

Strata, A.J., 2008, NASA discovers 70% of global climate due to Pacific Ocean Oscillations- not CO2,

Thornhill, C., 2008, Global warning: We are actually heading towards a new Ice Age, claim scientists U.S. Senate Environment and Public Works Committee (Minority): 2007, August 20, New peer-reviewed scientific studies chill global warming fears.

2007, December 20, U.S. Senate Report: Over 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007

2008, March 6, Climate skeptics reveal “horror stories” of scientific suppression

2008, April 30, “Global Warming Will Stop,” New Peer-Reviewed Study Says

2008, July 16, Gore’s (really) inconvenient timing- “consensus” on man-made global warming collapses in 2008.

2008, November 20, “Planet has cooled since Bush took office”

DVDs and videos

Carbon Dioxide and the “Climate Crisis:” Reality or Illusion, CO2Science, 2008, 53 minutes.

Evangelists and Global Warming: A Formal Debate, 2006, The Apologetics Group, 120 minutes, .

Global Warming: A Scientific and Biblical Expose of Climate Change, 2008,
, 48 minutes.

Global Warming or Global Governance? Dr. Michael Coffman, Sovereignty International and Environmental Perspectives, 81 minutes, .

The Great Global Warming Swindle, 2007, Martin Durkin documentary, 158 minutes,



Anonymous said...

In response to your post on environmentalism :

Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment.

Industrial Society is destroying necessary things [Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land] for making unnecessary things [consumer goods].

"Growth Rate" - "Economy Rate" - "GDP"

These are figures of "Ecocide".
These are figures of "crimes against Nature".
These are figures of "destruction of Ecosystems".
These are figures of "Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality".

The link between Mind and Social / Environmental-Issues.

The fast-paced, consumerist lifestyle of Industrial Society is causing exponential rise in psychological problems besides destroying the environment. All issues are interlinked. Our Minds cannot be peaceful when attention-spans are down to nanoseconds, microseconds and milliseconds. Our Minds cannot be peaceful if we destroy Nature [Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land].

Chief Seattle of the Indian Tribe had warned the destroyers of ecosystems way back in 1854 :

Only after the last tree has been cut down,
Only after the last river has been poisoned,
Only after the last fish has been caught,
Only then will you realize that you cannot eat money.

To read the complete article please follow any of these links.

Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

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Anonymous said...

I went to the guy's site and that photo of him with the Dilly Dalai says it all.