tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7938933649493088489.post8485923142297014926..comments2024-01-18T17:25:10.325-08:00Comments on Living Outside The Dialectic: An open letter to all members of local Tea PartiesNiki Raapanahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14835214436658839836noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7938933649493088489.post-83694788173173215872012-05-31T11:29:51.260-07:002012-05-31T11:29:51.260-07:00Let me guess:
The mix being the worst parts of co...Let me guess:<br /><br />The mix being the worst parts of communism and capitalism, with none of the traditional benefits of either. <br /><br />ie: forced community without the economic safety net of communism, and forced capitalism without the nationalistic (social) benefits associated with "freedom" traditionally used to justify a capitalist economy.<br /><br />So, in the end, people are socially (family, religious, and even racial values) and economically disenfranchised. Every movement (monarchy, communism, nationalist capitalism, nationalist socialism) the world has seen up until now provided some benefit to the people. This movements sounds like it removes all benefits, to the population, in the zero sum game between the have's and have nots.<br /><br />You won't be allowed any type of community identity, but will be forced to live in a community (ala communism). At the same time, you won't have an economic safety net.<br /><br />Am I close?<br /><br />"Liberal democracy" will continue to be used to remove all social identity and keep nationalistic groups weak, while strife between newly introduced competing groups will be used to justify communist social values (for which people are being trained to not recognize as communism - social values being the primary driver of a communist society). <br /><br />The stigma against communism will be used to justify not providing an economic safety net. This new hybrid of communist social values and economic capitalist values being 'globalism' or 'communitarianism'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7938933649493088489.post-13763480267161242682010-11-03T14:27:26.675-07:002010-11-03T14:27:26.675-07:00suek, the difference between communism and communi...suek, the difference between communism and communitarianism is communitarianism is a synthesis between communism and capitalism. <br /><br />It includes BOTH the right and left wing ideals (along with many other ideologies and religions, which makes it a very confusing study). Communitarians are the bipartisan middle, the radical centrists who easily flip-flop back and forth from one opposite side to the other. The big surprise will be when both "sides" of the dialectic realize their ideas have merged with the other, and anyone clinging to "pure" socialism or "pure" capitalism will be told they are outdated and if they refuse to adapt.. immoral. <br /><br />I've written several papers that attempted to explain this merger of ideologies and I'll re post one of the better ones here since the ACL is down and I can't send you there for clarification. :(Niki Raapanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14835214436658839836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7938933649493088489.post-49015040367103975902010-11-03T14:18:23.381-07:002010-11-03T14:18:23.381-07:00The ACL website is under total reconstruction so n...The ACL website is under total reconstruction so none of the referenced links in the article to nord.twu.net/acl work right now. They will be the first ones we reformat and put back, but it's a very time consuming process and there are only 2 of us in the ACL... the term "league" was never a good descriptor of our private grassroots research institute. If it were up to Nordica she'd have changed the name a long time ago. <br /><br />My apologies and sincerest regrets because those links are important to understanding communitarianism. Maybe someday we'll have a staff or even just one assistant to help us with what turned out to be a massive website with over 10,000 exit links. But right now it's just us. We're in the middle of revising 2020 and TACM, and our books are the only thing that brings us any money in this huge 'volunteer" project, so, out of basic life necessity that is what we're finishing first.Niki Raapanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14835214436658839836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7938933649493088489.post-4945113451820611292010-10-26T12:14:06.819-07:002010-10-26T12:14:06.819-07:00Many of the links in the article appear to be brok...Many of the links in the article appear to be broken (result in 404 errors). Most seem to point to pages located at http://nord.twu.net/acl/<br /><br />Can you fix?<br /><br />Thanks!Bradsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16557138096864643394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7938933649493088489.post-65563418325819035652010-10-14T08:00:01.030-07:002010-10-14T08:00:01.030-07:00So anonymous, are you saying that the Bill of Righ...So anonymous, are you saying that the Bill of Rights does not apply since it is the 21st century. And if so, what are we to substitute it with? A new Communitarian bill of something "new"?Stanleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7938933649493088489.post-72272861425923289692010-10-12T15:08:08.285-07:002010-10-12T15:08:08.285-07:00I found your article interesting yet I have to dis...I found your article interesting yet I have to disagree.You along with 99% of americans do not understand the context in which the Constitution was written. After the Revolutionary War, England bean to economically divide the states pitting one against the other for the sake of each states finacial lives. James Madison and others realized quickly without a strong centralized goverment England would split the union apart without even firing a shot, realize that trade with England and the rest of the world was the driving force in the states economic devolopment. The Bill of Rights was composed to convince the states that they would be protected from a central goverment and at that time the intent with which the bill of rights was written applies to the late 18th century not 2010.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7938933649493088489.post-71074213315292780742010-10-11T08:31:52.427-07:002010-10-11T08:31:52.427-07:00As a newcomer here...
Do you define a difference ...As a newcomer here...<br /><br />Do you define a difference between "communitarianism" and "communism"? If so...what differences?sueknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7938933649493088489.post-43292223718376102672010-10-08T23:43:46.604-07:002010-10-08T23:43:46.604-07:00There is something very important that most folks ...There is something very important that most folks have not considered here. The John Birch Society (which is run by Masons, Mormons, and Catholics) has been telling US for years that “Communism” is our enemy but they have NEVER explained what “Communism” IS: “To commune or become ONE as in One World Government.” And it’s no wonder, why they refuse to go back in time (The Tower of Babel) and give proper dates to the main conspiracy at hand, even when they quickly talk about the Illuminati. Well speaking of “Commune,” Niki Raapana has beautifully described the “outward” fruit of Communism and the future world to come. Its called Communitarianism and the JBS has never exposed this along with many other organizations that give credence to left wing and right – what Mason would? This is one SUBJECT that Communitarian’s would not want exposed. The JBS constantly told US that communists loved to control both sides of every issue but the reality is that Freemasonry has dumbed US down for years with the hopes that we would never figure out Communitarianism until it was an accepted way of life for the masses.<br /><br />Thank you Niki for all the hard years of work you have done. You have awakened many to this New World Order called “Communitarianism.” And NONE dare call it a Freemasonry conspiracy under communitarian principals. That just might disturb that Masonic cyst that rests between their shoulders.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7938933649493088489.post-21113355491055687732010-10-08T20:40:14.684-07:002010-10-08T20:40:14.684-07:00Thanks Kevin, you're one of the main reasons I...Thanks Kevin, you're one of the main reasons I'm still trying to keep 2020 on our shelf!<br /><br />Christine and everyone who asked, please feel free to re post anything I've written, it's pretty much what happens with or without my permission anyway (like the full reproduction of this letter at infowars.com). It's one of those things I've allowed all along, and I hardly concern myself with plagiarism anymore either, which can only be easily corrected if the writer made a valid mistake and didn't do it on purpose. This particular blog was actually meant to be re posted and I probably should have put that right into the text. <br /><br />Thank you for taking the time to respond and for sharing what you got out of it. Comments like yours are what keep me plugging away. I hear a lot of bizarre and wrong things about me after people only read one article or blog post. There are a few people making wild accusations about me and my motives based on their take on this one letter. I like it that you see that all this was meant to do was help you to see there are other aspects to the changes worthy of our consideration.<br /><br />The thing about research is it's not as if you find one thing and then you're done... each new piece leads to something else and it may or may not change your initial reaction. I've changed my opinion many times during this "quest" and reserve the right to keep changing it too. It's become easier to let go of something I used to believe was true.. but that doesn't mean it's not still very, very hard.<br /><br />I look forward to visiting your blog as well as all the rest of the commentors who have one. <br /><br />As for misspellings, heh, if you read any of the stuff I wrote back in 2003-4-5- you'll find hundreds of typos and misspelled words.. I was racing through topics and always forgot to spell check. To this day I forget to check blogs before I post them. Plus, I must have drunk 1000 pots of coffee while building the ACL and now I just make espressos! :)Niki Raapanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14835214436658839836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7938933649493088489.post-58346163571037965362010-10-08T19:32:09.711-07:002010-10-08T19:32:09.711-07:00Wow, and please ignore my mispelling of parameter....Wow, and please ignore my mispelling of parameter. Sheesh! LOL. That would be what one gets for not proof reading more than once. I May have to resort to harsh measures...like drink a cup of coffee at 7:30 pm.<br /><br />I saw you have facebook links, so I will link this article there. I will also just do blogger as I see it's in there as well.<br /><br />Yeah, more coffee. That is the ticket.<br /><br />Thanks again, ChristineChristine Wasankarihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05559594001627451628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7938933649493088489.post-62710342087528195922010-10-08T18:51:04.230-07:002010-10-08T18:51:04.230-07:00Thank you very much for your insightful piece. I h...Thank you very much for your insightful piece. I had no idea this was what was happening. I knew something was wrong and have joined the tea party movement in spirit if not full practice but after reading your fantastic article I have a whole new set of perameters I need to read and understand. This article felt right from the jump and by the end I felt much more enlightened to the issues and realities we are now facing as a nation. Thank you very much once again! I know this has to be very difficult, but keep up the good work! Would you mind if I reposted this to my blog and to my facebook page?<br /><br />Take care and stay warm, stay full!<br /><br />Christine<br />Clallam Bay WAChristine Wasankarihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05559594001627451628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7938933649493088489.post-77219042669888390232010-10-07T15:13:52.656-07:002010-10-07T15:13:52.656-07:00Niki,
I’ve been reading your material for years. ...Niki,<br /><br />I’ve been reading your material for years. You opened my eyes to the real con-game in America--the communitarian dialectic. I’m still ever-amazed at what you understand. This is excellent.Kevin Eggershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02247311723300717353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7938933649493088489.post-75328981056659315812010-10-07T14:55:09.563-07:002010-10-07T14:55:09.563-07:00And Chewybees, you sure summed it all up with &quo...And Chewybees, you sure summed it all up with "label, definition and process." I like your close too.Niki Raapanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14835214436658839836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7938933649493088489.post-75838337072383307322010-10-07T14:52:02.391-07:002010-10-07T14:52:02.391-07:00It is mind blowing Stanley, that's what makes ...It is mind blowing Stanley, that's what makes it so unbelievable. It's such a massive topic, so all pervasive that it's the hardest thing to get our heads around. For 2 years I refused to look at anything beyond State legislation! <br />As you've seen I get flak when I post anything about Population Reduction and all the ways the comms are killing us. But I don't care what I sound like anymore. I'm going to post more about the health/death benefits soon.<br /><br />Alan, I've never studied Admiralty or maritime laws and many people think I should. I'm sure they're right, but communitarian law was so over my head it hurt. Can you recommend a good source for my readers? Ho mitakoyashin. :)<br /><br />Thanks John, we're putting your pdf in the new version of 2020. I am heading home today to cut wood!<br /><br />Summer, I used to believe professional politicians were somehow more qualified to lead than us common people.. now I think just the opposite is true.<br /><br />Why call them communitarians? Because they call themselves and US communitarians. See the direct quotes at the ACL homepage if you think I made this term up. I didn't, it's completely and easily verifiable. Look it up yourself. Google "libertarian communitarian." Now be anonymously embarrassed.<br /><br />If we are to wear their new label and follow their new regulations for our new livable communities, then should we not, at the very least, know what it is we've all so miraculously evolved into?Niki Raapanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14835214436658839836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7938933649493088489.post-63072813226283150972010-10-07T10:42:14.004-07:002010-10-07T10:42:14.004-07:00Why call these psychopaths "communitarian&quo...Why call these psychopaths "communitarian"? It seems to me they're anything but, and that kind of tag is just a hold-over from the desire of reactionary libertarians to win an imaginary arm-wrestling match with "liberals" and non-objectivist death-meriting collectivist scum. The fascists you call communitarian must greatly appreciate your help in spreading misapprehension. Meanwhile, som of us are actually capable of living in communities without mysteriously becoming dystopic bolshevik robots with buttons on our eyelids.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7938933649493088489.post-6097963000512231142010-10-07T04:04:26.537-07:002010-10-07T04:04:26.537-07:00Yes, we don't know how America is falling apa...Yes, we don't know how America is falling apart. There are just too many 'experts' & lawyers in the system and not enough citizens in the decision making process.SummerRainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14597780354726169390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7938933649493088489.post-15411037950207075962010-10-07T03:33:58.252-07:002010-10-07T03:33:58.252-07:00I agree, Niki, brilliant piece.
Glad you got a ne...I agree, Niki, brilliant piece.<br /><br />Glad you got a new chainsaw.<br /><br />JohnStop Common Purposehttp://www.stopcp.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7938933649493088489.post-67274421195403979782010-10-07T00:58:03.277-07:002010-10-07T00:58:03.277-07:00...what is amazing is people do not realize that t......what is amazing is people do not realize that the elites fund and control both sides of all push/pull 'media worthy' factions and issues. Funding both sides affords a fairly accurate mechanism by which to steer society in a preferred direction. <br /><br />It is equally amazing that people do not realize that during the great depression the United States was virtually bankrupted by the elites (via their 'international' privately owned Federal Reserve). The Federal Reserve bailed us out. The cost: Our monetary and economic sovereignty. Our gold backed currency, of form and substance, was replaced by a fiat (debt to the Federal Reserve) currency of form and no substance. Under the current system, we are relegated to own debt without substance, forever. The government our forefathers had intended was lost in 1933. The act(ions) of our government have been pure stagecraft ever since. Ironic that we are alarmed at how easily our rights and sovereignty have been eroded, as we move steadily to take our place in the new realm of communitarian global governance. <br /><br />Since our currency is now an internationally traded Federal Reserve Product, Admiralty/commerce law can and does supersede common law when the Federal Reserve currency is involved. Since each of us was born with the potential to pay on the debt, we are all theoretically (for the time being) commercial subjects of the Federal Reserve. This reality is closely linked to the communitarian agenda.<br /><br />Our current reality is one of pure illusion. Together, we have been lead far astray from our true identity of peace, compassion, love and the intelligence to discern that which is grossly misguided. <br /><br />Keep a firm hand on the rail; the process is intended to be slow and chaotic, as they indoctrinate, pound and mold us into passively accepting our slave status. <br /><br />All form passes..., as it should. When you need to hear the truth, listen closely to the small wren calling from the snow laden fir bough. There is no truer reality.<br /><br />Namaste Nikki<br /><br />AlanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7938933649493088489.post-16135675613259790252010-10-06T19:44:32.765-07:002010-10-06T19:44:32.765-07:00Great piece Nikki. I discovered your blog a few we...Great piece Nikki. I discovered your blog a few weeks ago and have spent time reading through your blog, links and the ACL website. It is a lot to absorb. But the reason I did it was because the extensive research you have done defined what I have seen and felt as an organized effort these past years in directing our society towards some uncomfortable endgame- communitarianism. Now that I have sufficiently educated myself via your website and blog communitarianism has emerged as a force that controls every aspect of our lives. I consider myself fairly well informed but you can imagine that I was blown away coming the the realization that this idea of communitarianism even existed. If this is the case for me, then how few citizens understand what is happening? Thank you for the work you have done. I will do my best to pass the message on. p.s. i sent you a reference to Wm Engdahl and GMO a few weeks ago. Bill Gates just gave $1.5 m to ABC to help fund a documentary on how his foundation is "assisting" 3rd world countries health issues. And the foundation is donating $60 Bil for health and educationStanleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7938933649493088489.post-69584569456676956082010-10-06T17:34:34.565-07:002010-10-06T17:34:34.565-07:00An excellent piece and it really solidifies with l...An excellent piece and it really solidifies with label, definition and process what many out there are already aware of.<br /><br />I'm thouroughly convinced that any time an organization reaches the mainstream of societal conscience, it is already sabotaged from without and within. The level of deception all nations and governmental entities (including religions) are operating under demands that the falsehoods be universally participated in. This leaves little hope of massing a group of any size to counter the deceivers.<br /><br />This means that we all have to tackle our own lives with faith in something else besides some megalithic org. My latest exhortation is that if we put middlemen between ourselves and our security, ourselves and our freedom, and ourselves and God then the middlemen will profit and we will have no security, freedom or God.ChewyBeeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18376407950556280428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7938933649493088489.post-25915870054600569832010-10-06T15:35:40.347-07:002010-10-06T15:35:40.347-07:00Actually there is one thing that makes me feel bet...Actually there is one thing that makes me feel better, and that's my NEW CHAINSAW from my sister Kathy! I won't be worrying about freezing and starving to death this winter. I love my sister and I know she loves me, no matter what. Going out on such a far limb has put a strain on all my family relations, but not everyone gets sucked into dialectical conflicts at every level. My sister's love, like positive feedback, gives me hope. And according to John Milton that means I'm not living in Hell.Niki Raapanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14835214436658839836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7938933649493088489.post-39142177605317423582010-10-06T15:25:19.450-07:002010-10-06T15:25:19.450-07:00Nothing makes me feel better than having such posi...Nothing makes me feel better than having such positive feedback on this. I struggled with it for over a week and wasn't quite satisfied with the final edit (but mainly because of the word count). <br /><br />Besides feeling relief that some people like it, I hope it means there will be more people willing to discuss it now. <br /><br />I've learned very useful things from your comments and I think you've all added to the contents of this. Thank you!<br /><br />Of course I'm still willing to print anyone's negative views and/or feedback... although I retain the right to not publish too. :)Niki Raapanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14835214436658839836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7938933649493088489.post-31044749010579391682010-10-06T14:53:10.632-07:002010-10-06T14:53:10.632-07:00Communitarian = Neo-liberal
George Monbiot wrote:...Communitarian = Neo-liberal<br /><br />George Monbiot wrote:<br /><br />“A cabal of intellectuals and elitists hijacked the economic debate, and now we are dealing with the catastrophic effects<br /><br />When the Mont Pelerin Society first met, in 1947, its political project did not have a name. But it knew where it was going. The society's founder, Friedrich von Hayek, remarked that the battle for ideas would take at least a generation to win, but he knew that his intellectual army would attract powerful backers. Its philosophy, which later came to be known as neoliberalism, accorded with the interests of the ultra-rich, so the ultra-rich would pay for it.<br /><br />Neoliberalism claims that we are best served by maximum market freedom and minimum intervention by the state. The role of government should be confined to creating and defending markets, protecting private property and defending the realm. All other functions are better discharged by private enterprise, which will be prompted by the profit motive to supply essential services. By this means, enterprise is liberated, rational decisions are made and citizens are freed from the dehumanising hand of the state.<br /><br />But as David Harvey proposes in his book A Brief History of Neoliberalism, wherever the neoliberal programme has been implemented, it has caused a massive shift of wealth not just to the top 1%, but to the top tenth of the top 1%. In the US, for instance, the upper 0.1% has already regained the position it held at the beginning of the 1920s. In practice the philosophy developed at Mont Pelerin is little but an elaborate disguise for a wealth grab.<br /><br />US oligarchs and their foundations - Coors, Olin, Scaife, Pew and others - have poured hundreds of millions into setting up thinktanks, founding business schools and transforming university economics departments into bastions of almost totalitarian neoliberal thinking. The Heritage Foundation, the Hoover Institute, the American Enterprise Institute and many others in the US, the Institute of Economic Affairs, the Centre for Policy Studies and the Adam Smith Institute in the UK, were all established to promote this project. Their purpose was to develop the ideas and the language which would mask the real intent of the programme - the restoration of the power of the elite - and package it as a proposal for the betterment of humankind.<br /><br />But the most powerful promoter of this programme was the media. Most of it is owned by multimillionaires who use it to project the ideas that support their interests. Those ideas which threaten their interests are either ignored or ridiculed. It is through the newspapers and TV channels that the socially destructive notions of a small group of extremists have come to look like common sense. Nowadays I hear even my progressive friends using terms like wealth creators, tax relief, big government, consumer democracy, red tape, compensation culture, job seekers and benefit cheats. These terms, all invented or promoted by neoliberals, have become so commonplace that they now seem almost neutral.<br /><br />Neoliberalism, if unchecked, will catalyse crisis after crisis, all of which can be solved only by greater intervention on the part of the state. In confronting it, we must recognise that we will never be able to mobilise the resources its exponents have been given. But as the disasters they have caused unfold, the public will need ever less persuading that it has been misled.”DrKrbyLuvnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7938933649493088489.post-48641463087660722402010-10-06T13:46:59.145-07:002010-10-06T13:46:59.145-07:00My comment was too big for this box so I blogged y...My comment was too big for this box so I blogged you back :)<br /><br /><br />http://gigibowman.wordpress.com/2010/10/06/and-now-for-my-summation-of-the-tea-party-by-gigi-bowman/<br /><br />-Gigi BowmanGigi Bowmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00190732471441670430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7938933649493088489.post-75685407349227875342010-10-06T05:51:37.478-07:002010-10-06T05:51:37.478-07:00Excellent piece!
Dr. Ron Paul makes valid argumen...Excellent piece!<br /><br />Dr. Ron Paul makes valid arguments for the Austrian School in replacing the private central bank known as the Fed Reserve with the Gold Standard. The problem is that most of the gold in the world's reserves are owned and controlled by the same international banking families that own and control the Fed Reserve. <br /><br />Paul is ignorant or dishonest. I doubt that he's dishonest. However, he is a 32nd Degree Freemason and is Junior. His wife belongs to the Eastern Star. <br /><br />There is no national hierarchy with the Tea Party. It's a hodgepodge of ideas that share a basic premise on limited government, restraint on spending and taxation and return to Constitutional policies. <br /><br />The Tea Party "Express" on the other hand is a derivative of the GOP. They use the name to lure unsuspecting folks into their fold yet make no mention that they're in direct tension with the aforementioned goals of the Tea Party. <br /><br />Superficially, its about political deception through the mega media. <br /><br />Spiritually, something else is at play and this is frequently ignored by dissenting writers. The few who do comment on this space are likely disinformation agents. I know the topic and the these people bait you with verifiable facts then take you into a different direction. <br /><br />In my home state of Massachusetts, the local "leader" or face of the movement is an inarticulate, mumbling-incoherent, know-nothing who rally the herd around stock phrases like "Take our Country back!".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com